Stolen drops... Can anything be done? - Page 7 - Guild Wars Forums

free4all · Jul 08, 2005, 11:07 PM // 23:07

It most definately is. If you look at his profile, Jon is userid 21361 and purplemonsterRR is userid 21363. Created just after each other, with another random person inbetween his registrations. Afterall, it's hard to create two accounts in 5 seconds.

Rodelm · Jul 08, 2005, 11:19 PM // 23:19

This is the exact reason that my guild only allows players 25 and older to be in the guild and we only party up with each other. They are some of the best people I have met online or offline and would give up any item if someone needed it. I for one will never play with a PUG....to many losers in this world.

dsmith1wsc · Jul 09, 2005, 07:26 PM // 19:26

Simply put, not rezing a fallen party member to get a drop is wrong. I have been in that situation twice now (me being dead and a max purple dropping) and on one of the occasions the other pt member realized it was only fair to give me MY item. When in a pt it is your responsibility to do YOUR job and that includes rezing dead ppl if u can. Jerks who wait to steal an item should be banned.

If they are not taking their item and some choose not to, then its open season once it goes public. I have no problem taking items that others choose to leave behind. If they are afk and not helping group, then that item will be mine when it goes public.

Nonetheless, there are always going to be ppl who choose to steal items and in that case they are going on my block list.

ICURADik · Jul 09, 2005, 08:08 PM // 20:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ketendra

so does anyone else think that these last two posts are the same person trying to be a pain in the arse?

Purple is the guy that took it.

Multifaros · Jul 09, 2005, 08:12 PM // 20:12

I remember the old Diablo ll times...

The first one that clicks get it

OMG ITS A SOJ!!! F*CK HE TOOK IT!!
hehe

CleverAlias · Jul 09, 2005, 08:18 PM // 20:18

Boo hoo, don't die, end of story.

bigfatguy · Jul 09, 2005, 08:24 PM // 20:24

omg u need to get real you died and i mean i would wait and pick it up, cos i was good enough to survive and you died, tough ****.

The undead Mesmer · Jul 09, 2005, 09:01 PM // 21:01

it happened to me once a purple drop dropped for another person they al died except me and the monk i already jused my rez signet on teh monk so i couldnt rez annymore i asked if the monk could rez the guys he said no.

he kept saying it for over 3 minutes so i asked why are you not rezzing them.

he said i whant that shield i whent like what the **** really the words i said at that point arend good for ppl under the age of 10

whell he left i think he gave up when the drop whent public i said to the guy that whas suposed to get the drop that i would give him the item and if you really whant it meet me in a town and whe can make the trade.

i whent to the town and traded the purple thingy with him.

i still cant believe that such much shitty ppl excist

*edit*

plz dont mind my grammar hehe

Edge Martinez · Jul 09, 2005, 09:21 PM // 21:21

I'm a loot hound. When backtracking, anything that's gone public I pick up. The exception to this is items I know that are good and dropped for someone else. Then I ask them if they want it. Like in FoW, I'll grab all Dark Remains and bones without care, but if there's an ecto on the ground and it dropped for someone else who decided to stick with the group instead? They get it back. Shadows Shields 15 and better? I give back.

While people sometimes make it reall easy to get one over on them, generally I've found if you treat people right, you get treated right.

davidmor · Jul 10, 2005, 04:58 PM // 16:58

I had a different situation happen to me. I was doing Thunderhead Keep with a group, and was manning the west catapult with my fire elementalist. Another elementalist was manning the east catapult. This is a great strategy to beat the mission, but both of us on the catapults got stiffed on gold items. What happens is as an ele. we can cast from the bridge to the group below fighting so we never have to leave the catapults. Of course, all of the loot that drops under there has to sit until the mission is basically done if we are to stay at our posts. Both of had a gold and couple of purples drop, sat there for over 5 minutes and then were picked up by others. I even said that I would not leave my post as long as people left my drops alone. They didn't. Really the only thing I could have done since I had already completed the mission previously and was only helping others get through it, would have been to map or log out and leave them to fend for themselves. With both elementalists/catapult operators being gone, the mission would not have lasted long and they would have had to do it all over again. Of course I didn't do that but I won't group with them again.

My opinion, every drop should stay assigned permanently.

JoDiamonds · Jul 10, 2005, 07:44 PM // 19:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by davidmor

My opinion, every drop should stay assigned permanently.

I strongly agree.

Even if nothing else changes at all, I would consider that a clear improvement over the current system. (I'm sure the developers are shaking their heads, after they went to the work of putting the feature in when people complained when it was the other way.)

Nexx · Jul 10, 2005, 07:52 PM // 19:52

I had an experience where it was just me and a monk. A gold item dropped and he stopped healing me. Once I died, he took my item! Now that the sucks.

hotspur · Jul 10, 2005, 08:44 PM // 20:44

FFS guys, its just a game, if sombody robbed me in real life I would be mad as hell. But GW IS NOT REAL! If you didnt get that rare drop, wait, you will get another.

The undead Mesmer · Jul 10, 2005, 08:44 PM // 20:44

some monks yust dont knw what to do

its a great dilema you knw shall i heal him and he gets the drop or shall i not heal him steal his drop and be a retarded fag?

most monks pick the first option atleast i do hehe

Traylorre · Jul 11, 2005, 12:44 AM // 00:44

I remember in Diablo 2 (where drops were public the moment they dropped) that Sorcerors had a skill to pickup items from a distance!! -- Luckily that got changed so that they could only pickup potions (very common item)... but hey they then had no chance of getting any good drops if they stayed far away like casters are supposed to.

D2 is such a clicking-frenzy game... sometimes, to be the first to pickup a drop, a person or 2 in the team did not even attack the mobs! -- they just stood around clicking madly hoping for a Jah rune or such

During my first party in Pre-Sear I had a sudden rush of "oh jeez I gotta be quick to grab" and "since we are just 2 people are we gonna alternate the drops, or?" but was pleasently surprised. Having a timeout is sensible but is obviously exploited by not ressing or by sabotaging the team to die and be the only survivor. Pop-up boxes would drive players nuts... the only suggestions left are:

(i) be able to click the item from a distance and choose to reserve it,
(ii) not have item become public unless said person is gone from game

I would say that (i) is much more feasible because Mr Griefer could just say "ok guys I'm not gonna res anyone.... I got all day to wait for Mr Dead-Owner to quit so I can acquire that juicy drop" which would drive people doubly mad... Mr Griefer know he has alot to gain from doing this, and also that Mr Dead has nothing to gain by waiting unless (a) Mr Dead outwaits AND (b) its not a mission or FoW or UW (whereby the whole team is booted if everyone is dead -- eg all are dead except Mr Griefer and after 30mins Mr G gives up and quits... and now suddenly there aren't any surviving members so the whole team is booted and Mr Dead STILL doesn't get his rightful item)

So Mr Griefer knows that if a good item drops in any mission or FoW or UW.... and he manages to get team to all die while surviving himself, he is almost guarunteed to get the drop because Mr Owner 99% won't outwait him for an item Mr Owner CANNOT get anyways because when Mr Griefer leaves, the whole team is booted. Sad but true.

Gaile Gray · Jul 11, 2005, 01:40 AM // 01:40

That's a sad story, and I do agree that it would be nice to have a means to not have this form of possible griefing.

I'll take it to the team and see what we can devise. It's very tricky, because sometimes having someone else pick up is to your advantage, and sometimes it's not.

Food for thought, to be sure!

JoDiamonds · Jul 11, 2005, 02:58 AM // 02:58

Ideally, you could right click on an item or something, and be given the option to make it public. Or as a game-level setting, where you say, "Never make my drops public", and face the consequences if something great drops and you are dead (with no ressurection available).

Haloknight9 · Jul 11, 2005, 07:20 AM // 07:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by danfrancisdo

You died silly. How can you get mad at that? You are lucky he waited 5 minutes.

Ahem, plz dont make me open the eula guidelines or that nice agreement you sign when you make an account. I would call you an idiot, but ill be nice and give you the benifit of the doubt of being misinformed.

Back to the discussion at hand. The guy is obviously exploiting game mechanics in order to steal something which isnt his and waisting peoples time in doing so. Lets not forget the -->obvious<-- reason they put the public timer in: so people can pick up stuff others stuff that they don't want when they go rushing by it. You think that isnt possible? i see people do it to stuff all the time.

EDIT: Oh and now that i think about it, to keep afkers, you know.. the free riders... from getting all the loot at the end for not doing anything.

Quote:

Originally Posted by danfrancisdo

Its not stealing, you died. Think about it. A dead person cannot own anything. Why do you think the developers made it possible for the item to be "public"

Now for this, you can argue for roleplaying, sematics, and whatever you want in the quote above or others. But it still will not change the 'fact' that the dude exploited a game mechanic, and deserves to be banned, plain and simple, case closed.

You really think the devs put this feature in so some dude can wait around after his team dies, just to pick up loot? I seriously suggest you rethink that statement...

The wise man says: "It is better to have the world 'think' you are a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"

Jul 10, 2005, 08:44 PM // 20:44	#133
hotspur Academy Page Join Date: May 2005 Location: England Guild: New Dragons Profession: W/Mo	Get Real. FFS guys, its just a game, if sombody robbed me in real life I would be mad as hell. But GW IS NOT REAL! If you didnt get that rare drop, wait, you will get another.

Jul 11, 2005, 12:44 AM // 00:44	#135
Traylorre Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2005	Having drops never lose ownership is not feasible I remember in Diablo 2 (where drops were public the moment they dropped) that Sorcerors had a skill to pickup items from a distance!! -- Luckily that got changed so that they could only pickup potions (very common item)... but hey they then had no chance of getting any good drops if they stayed far away like casters are supposed to. D2 is such a clicking-frenzy game... sometimes, to be the first to pickup a drop, a person or 2 in the team did not even attack the mobs! -- they just stood around clicking madly hoping for a Jah rune or such During my first party in Pre-Sear I had a sudden rush of "oh jeez I gotta be quick to grab" and "since we are just 2 people are we gonna alternate the drops, or?" but was pleasently surprised. Having a timeout is sensible but is obviously exploited by not ressing or by sabotaging the team to die and be the only survivor. Pop-up boxes would drive players nuts... the only suggestions left are: (i) be able to click the item from a distance and choose to reserve it, (ii) not have item become public unless said person is gone from game I would say that (i) is much more feasible because Mr Griefer could just say "ok guys I'm not gonna res anyone.... I got all day to wait for Mr Dead-Owner to quit so I can acquire that juicy drop" which would drive people doubly mad... Mr Griefer know he has alot to gain from doing this, and also that Mr Dead has nothing to gain by waiting unless (a) Mr Dead outwaits AND (b) its not a mission or FoW or UW (whereby the whole team is booted if everyone is dead -- eg all are dead except Mr Griefer and after 30mins Mr G gives up and quits... and now suddenly there aren't any surviving members so the whole team is booted and Mr Dead STILL doesn't get his rightful item) So Mr Griefer knows that if a good item drops in any mission or FoW or UW.... and he manages to get team to all die while surviving himself, he is almost guarunteed to get the drop because Mr Owner 99% won't outwait him for an item Mr Owner CANNOT get anyways because when Mr Griefer leaves, the whole team is booted. Sad but true. Last edited by Traylorre; Jul 11, 2005 at 12:50 AM // 00:50.. Reason: added title

Jul 11, 2005, 01:40 AM // 01:40	#136
Gaile Gray ArenaNet Join Date: Feb 2005	That's a sad story, and I do agree that it would be nice to have a means to not have this form of possible griefing. I'll take it to the team and see what we can devise. It's very tricky, because sometimes having someone else pick up is to your advantage, and sometimes it's not. Food for thought, to be sure! __________________ Gaile Gray Support Liaison ArenaNet

Jul 08, 2005, 11:07 PM // 23:07	#121
free4all Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005	It most definately is. If you look at his profile, Jon is userid 21361 and purplemonsterRR is userid 21363. Created just after each other, with another random person inbetween his registrations. Afterall, it's hard to create two accounts in 5 seconds.

Jul 08, 2005, 11:19 PM // 23:19	#122
Rodelm Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: Defenders of Gods Profession: E/Me	This is the exact reason that my guild only allows players 25 and older to be in the guild and we only party up with each other. They are some of the best people I have met online or offline and would give up any item if someone needed it. I for one will never play with a PUG....to many losers in this world.

Jul 09, 2005, 07:26 PM // 19:26	#123
dsmith1wsc Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jul 2005 Profession: Mo/Me	Simply put, not rezing a fallen party member to get a drop is wrong. I have been in that situation twice now (me being dead and a max purple dropping) and on one of the occasions the other pt member realized it was only fair to give me MY item. When in a pt it is your responsibility to do YOUR job and that includes rezing dead ppl if u can. Jerks who wait to steal an item should be banned. If they are not taking their item and some choose not to, then its open season once it goes public. I have no problem taking items that others choose to leave behind. If they are afk and not helping group, then that item will be mine when it goes public. Nonetheless, there are always going to be ppl who choose to steal items and in that case they are going on my block list.

Jul 09, 2005, 08:12 PM // 20:12	#125
Multifaros Academy Page Join Date: May 2005	I remember the old Diablo ll times... The first one that clicks get it OMG ITS A SOJ!!! F*CK HE TOOK IT!! hehe

Jul 09, 2005, 08:18 PM // 20:18	#126
CleverAlias Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2005	Boo hoo, don't die, end of story.

Jul 09, 2005, 08:24 PM // 20:24	#127
bigfatguy Academy Page Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: My bed Guild: Illusion of Dark	omg u need to get real you died and i mean i would wait and pick it up, cos i was good enough to survive and you died, tough ****.

Jul 09, 2005, 09:01 PM // 21:01	#128
The undead Mesmer Delphian Scribe Join Date: May 2005 Location: Holland Guild: No guild ;_; Profession: N/Me	it happened to me once a purple drop dropped for another person they al died except me and the monk i already jused my rez signet on teh monk so i couldnt rez annymore i asked if the monk could rez the guys he said no. he kept saying it for over 3 minutes so i asked why are you not rezzing them. he said i whant that shield i whent like what the **** really the words i said at that point arend good for ppl under the age of 10 whell he left i think he gave up when the drop whent public i said to the guy that whas suposed to get the drop that i would give him the item and if you really whant it meet me in a town and whe can make the trade. i whent to the town and traded the purple thingy with him. i still cant believe that such much shitty ppl excist edit plz dont mind my grammar hehe

Jul 09, 2005, 09:21 PM // 21:21	#129
Edge Martinez Jungle Guide Join Date: May 2005 Location: NC Guild: DKL	I'm a loot hound. When backtracking, anything that's gone public I pick up. The exception to this is items I know that are good and dropped for someone else. Then I ask them if they want it. Like in FoW, I'll grab all Dark Remains and bones without care, but if there's an ecto on the ground and it dropped for someone else who decided to stick with the group instead? They get it back. Shadows Shields 15 and better? I give back. While people sometimes make it reall easy to get one over on them, generally I've found if you treat people right, you get treated right.

Jul 10, 2005, 04:58 PM // 16:58	#130
davidmor Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2005 Location: Peoples republic of New York	I had a different situation happen to me. I was doing Thunderhead Keep with a group, and was manning the west catapult with my fire elementalist. Another elementalist was manning the east catapult. This is a great strategy to beat the mission, but both of us on the catapults got stiffed on gold items. What happens is as an ele. we can cast from the bridge to the group below fighting so we never have to leave the catapults. Of course, all of the loot that drops under there has to sit until the mission is basically done if we are to stay at our posts. Both of had a gold and couple of purples drop, sat there for over 5 minutes and then were picked up by others. I even said that I would not leave my post as long as people left my drops alone. They didn't. Really the only thing I could have done since I had already completed the mission previously and was only helping others get through it, would have been to map or log out and leave them to fend for themselves. With both elementalists/catapult operators being gone, the mission would not have lasted long and they would have had to do it all over again. Of course I didn't do that but I won't group with them again. My opinion, every drop should stay assigned permanently.

Jul 10, 2005, 07:52 PM // 19:52	#132
Nexx Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jun 2005	I had an experience where it was just me and a monk. A gold item dropped and he stopped healing me. Once I died, he took my item! Now that the sucks.

Jul 10, 2005, 08:44 PM // 20:44	#134
The undead Mesmer Delphian Scribe Join Date: May 2005 Location: Holland Guild: No guild ;_; Profession: N/Me	some monks yust dont knw what to do its a great dilema you knw shall i heal him and he gets the drop or shall i not heal him steal his drop and be a retarded fag? most monks pick the first option atleast i do hehe

Jul 11, 2005, 02:58 AM // 02:58	#137
JoDiamonds Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: New England	Ideally, you could right click on an item or something, and be given the option to make it public. Or as a game-level setting, where you say, "Never make my drops public", and face the consequences if something great drops and you are dead (with no ressurection available).